In a rare moment out of the shadows, President Trump’s Chief of Staff Susie Wiles sat down with Miranda Devine on the Pod Force One podcast and pulled back the curtain on the Trump 2024 campaign—and let’s just say, she didn’t hold back. Wiles, who usually prefers to operate behind the scenes, gave us a glimpse of what it’s like running the political machine behind President Trump and had some pretty interesting things to say about Elon Musk, Joe Biden’s staffers, and the current administration (spoiler alert: she’s not impressed).
First, the Elon Musk bit. According to Wiles, Musk and President Trump had a “troublesome ending.” She compared it to a father-son dynamic gone off the rails, with President Trump being “very, very kind” to Musk and seeing great potential in him. Musk, in return, brought a lot to the table—tech smarts, industry connections, and innovation. But as Wiles put it, “It was a great thing when it was a great thing.” Then it blew up, just like every electric car that catches fire when it rains.
Musk has since created his own political outfit—the “America Party”—which, if you ask most people, sounds more like a Reddit group than a legitimate third party. He’s out there trying to wedge himself into congressional races and calls Trump’s border security bill a “disgusting abomination.” So much for being a fan of national sovereignty.
Wiles seemed genuinely puzzled by the fallout, saying she enjoyed working with Musk and admired how he saw the world differently. Sure, Elon’s quirky, but she made it clear he was once an asset to the campaign—until he wasn’t.
And then there was the curveball: Wiles actually had nice things to say about Joe Biden’s staff. Not the man himself, mind you—she labeled him a “low energy president,” which frankly might be the politest way to describe the guy who can’t finish a sentence without wandering off mid-thought. But his team during the transition? Wiles said they were “spectacular.” Kind, informative, even helpful. It’s like finding out the DMV is suddenly giving out Chick-fil-A-level customer service.
She even said she still calls them from time to time. Not something you’d expect from Trump’s top aide, but it just shows that professional respect can exist even when the politics are lightyears apart.
Bottom line, Wiles gave us a rare look inside Trump’s 2024 world and reminded us: it’s still all business, even if the headlines are circus-level chaos.
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